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SC Friends: there is a lot of info in the survival literature and talk sites about having an isolated bug out location to escape to for those prepping in that direction. Part of the issue for some or many is how to become long term sufficient on the property site. This is probably going to mean hunting (and fishing) to supplement other food resources. Are we ready for that?

 

It may sound easier done than said, but nobody should take hunting for granted. ASAP conduct a realistic hunting assessment of your Bug Out site. Is there big game like deer, elk, moose, etc? What about small game like squirrels, or rabbits. Upland game? Do you have the tools to harvest the game for food, recover it from the woods or fields, clean it, preserve it, cook it? What is your plan?

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There is not enough game to live in one area without farming. This is why early man was nomadic and farming was what created civilizations.

 

Today there are far too many people to hunt for food. If a SHTF scenerio forced this in your area then it would not take long for 95% of game to be gone. Big game is not ideal unless you have power to refridgeerate or a smoke house ot save the meat. Fishing and small animals are best for coooking, transport back home, dont wast ammo on them, and you can do it on your own.

 

Hogs, chickens or goats would be the ideal wild animal and livestock b/c they reproduce about every 120 days and have a large litter. Cattle, deer, ducks, turkeys would all become very scarce and cattle valued more for the milk than the meat.

 

My grandmother lived on a farm and they worked hard all summer canning vegtables from garden and winter time hunting was a combo of food needs, crusing property to fix the fence, and just passing the time until spring.

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BamaMan,

You are dead-on. Should SHTF the woods will sound like opening day; every day.

 

Yes, but only for about 4 days, then the game will be gone.

 

The westerners trick of always hunting away from your homestead is a good one. That way, should weather or ???? keep you from going very far afield, the game still close is available. As for small game, I agree that pigs, squirrel, rabbit etc. are a good source. Just remember that these animals are all carriers of parasites that would just love to infect you. Take care in the preparation (cleaning and cooking) lest your meal provide the pest that will make this your last meal. Learn now, post TSHTF it will be too late.

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Luckily, I have about 30 acres that backs up against 1000's of acres of National Forest Wilderness Area with no roads. I have a 3 acre pond with bass, bream, and catfish. There are deer, turkeys and the neighbor about a mile down the road has reported what he thinks is hog sign. I have never seen any turkeys, but they are known to be in the area. There are a few grey and fox squirrels as well as rabbits. My family has owned the land for 20+ years and the neighbors the same. No one has hunted the land in that time. I'm feeling pretty good about the game situation. I know that I cant live off of it exclusively, but it is 100% better than most have access to...

 

Many years ago, my grandparents had about an acre garden on the land, so I know that it will grow food, I just need to get better at it. I also need to learn primitive preserving techniques for meat. I will need them for a deer or hog.

 

Unfortunately it is quite some distance from me. Several days to a week on foot. Depends on how much detouring I have to do.

Edited by Ready?4What?

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Ready, look into smoke curing meat. A smoke house is easily constructed and meat prepped this way will keep for a long while. Also, the Native Americans made pemmican. Some has been found that they dated several thousand years old and the scientists deemed it still edible.

 

Also planting certain fruit trees and other plants will help draw animals into the area. By planting food plots for the animals and finding what type of habitat coverage the animals use for nesting, bedding, etc; you can prepare a very nice "nature preserve" to be harvested later. this will also help ensure they have the food necassary for abundant reproduction for a later date.

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Also planting certain fruit trees and other plants will help draw animals into the area.

I had an uncle up around Palestine, TX who grew sweet peas. The deer LOVED the sweet peas and it improved the taste of the meat tremendously - so much so that the game warden types used to get their venison from him year round - no, wait, that would violate hunting laws ... it must have been frozen from the prior season, yea, that's it, that's my story and I'm sticking to it. The wardens understood that he had to protect his crop and looked the other way. Reasonable law enforcement is a good thing.

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CAPT, the same is true of deer who eat the grain in the Midwest compared to the pine fed deer of the Florida swamps. I don't mind the "gamey" taste, but alot of people do. Adding a pinch of cinnamon to the marinade will also help take away the gamey taste. I know people who feed their dairy animals alot of berries to make the milk taste better, so I imagine it would work for the meat as well. I know the deer are devastating on soybean fields as well.

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Planting fruit trees and other crops for the deer on my land is not feasable. It is 100% harwood forested. Too much shade to plant anything except for one little are where the garden used to be. I dont want to train the deer to come there, if you know what I mean...

 

I have looked into smoking and pemmican. Right now there are no structures on the land, so a smokehouse is the least of my worries... haha

 

Here in AL, farmers can get permits to hunt year round, even at night with spotlights to protect their crops. When I was a kid, we used to hunt my dad's friend's (farmer) field year round to feed ourselves. he was permitted to hunt the fields...

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Ready, you can still plant fruit trees, crab apples would probably work well. Also berry vines or wild strawberries and blueberries. These plants grow well in natural forest. Also, some of your clover will grow well in the woods. This will feed the animals, can be eaten by humans and will "train" the deer to be foraging somewhere besides the garden plot. Also, after a TSHTF or worse, you will be able to trap the deer coming in to feed on the garden.

I personally set up food plots that will draw and keep animals coming in but that I can gather from myself. Asparagus planted along fence rows will take up no space, but provide long term food with several cuttings a year. If you have streams or ponds, plant cattails, these are some of the most versatile plants out there.

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CAPT, the same is true of deer who eat the grain in the Midwest compared to the pine fed deer of the Florida swamps. I don't mind the "gamey" taste, but alot of people do. Adding a pinch of cinnamon to the marinade will also help take away the gamey taste. I know people who feed their dairy animals alot of berries to make the milk taste better, so I imagine it would work for the meat as well. I know the deer are devastating on soybean fields as well.

 

The game taste is mainly from the smell which is why cinnamon works.

 

Cutting up and oniion or some garlic works too. Just put the cut onion / garlic in a container with the meat for at least six hours.

 

Useful in SHTF b/c onions grow wild better than worcestershire sauce.

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When I was a kid, we were very poor and grew or shot/caught all of our food. We only went to the store for milk, eggs, sugar, cornmeal, flour, etc. The only meat that we bought was porkchops for the monthly "special" dinner. I didn't have beef hamburger until I was about 10 or 12. about once a year, we would have a real special dinner and go to the Western Sizzlin for a steak! So I prefer the "gamey" taste.

 

I'm not much for garlic and cooked onions excite the bowel... :-o :-(

NOT a good thing while bugging...

Edited by Ready?4What?

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During the Depression ,West Virginia almost made the deer extinct.(OVER HUNTING)The Governer of Michigan and WestVirginia got togeather and Michigan captured and sent some Large Bucks to West Virginia..There are storys still being told of the Great grand sons roaming around in the nothern countys near Souther Penn.and near Winchester Va.

I dont see this happening in the future if SHTF....

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The following table details the U.S. population over the last one hundred years. Data, in millions, from the U.S. Census.

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1910 1920 1930 1940 1950 1960 1970 1980 1990 2000 2010

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US 92.2 106.0 123.2 132.2 151.3 179.3 203.2 226.5 248.7 281.4 308.7

Northeast 25.9 29.7 34.4 36.0 39.5 44.7 49.0 49.1 50.8 53.6 55.3

Midwest 29.9 34.0 38.6 40.1 44.5 51.6 56.6 58.9 59.7 64.4 66.9

South 29.4 33.1 37.9 41.7 47.2 55.0 62.8 75.4 85.4 100.2 114.6

West 7.1 9.2 12.3 14.4 20.2 28.1 34.8 43.2 52.8 63.2 71.9

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Alabama 2.1 2.3 2.6 2.8 3.1 3.3 3.4 3.9 4.0 4.4 4.8

Alaska 0.1 0.1 0.1 0.1 0.1 0.2 0.3 0.4 0.6 0.6 0.7

Arizona 0.2 0.3 0.4 0.5 0.7 1.3 1.8 2.7 3.7 5.1 6.4

Arkansas 1.6 1.8 1.9 1.9 1.9 1.8 1.9 2.3 2.4 2.7 2.9

California 2.4 3.4 5.7 6.9 10.6 15.7 20.0 23.7 29.8 33.9 37.3

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1910 1920 1930 1940 1950 1960 1970 1980 1990 2000 2010

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Colorado 0.8 0.9 1.0 1.1 1.3 1.8 2.2 2.9 3.3 4.3 5.0

Connecticut 1.1 1.4 1.6 1.7 2.0 2.5 3.0 3.1 3.3 3.4 3.6

Delaware 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.3 0.3 0.4 0.5 0.6 0.7 0.8 0.9

DC 0.3 0.4 0.5 0.7 0.8 0.8 0.8 0.6 0.6 0.6 0.6

Florida 0.8 1.0 1.5 1.9 2.8 5.0 6.8 9.7 12.9 16.0 18.8

Georgia 2.6 2.9 2.9 3.1 3.4 3.9 4.6 5.5 6.5 8.2 9.7

Hawaii 0.2 0.3 0.4 0.4 0.5 0.6 0.8 1.0 1.1 1.2 1.4

Idaho 0.3 0.4 0.4 0.5 0.6 0.7 0.7 0.9 1.0 1.3 1.6

Illinois 5.6 6.5 7.6 7.9 8.7 10.1 11.1 11.4 11.4 12.4 12.8

Indiana 2.7 2.9 3.2 3.4 3.9 4.7 5.2 5.5 5.5 6.1 6.5

Iowa 2.2 2.4 2.5 2.5 2.6 2.8 2.8 2.9 2.8 2.9 3.0

Kansas 1.7 1.8 1.9 1.8 1.9 2.2 2.2 2.4 2.5 2.7 2.9

Kentucky 2.3 2.4 2.6 2.8 2.9 3.0 3.2 3.7 3.7 4.0 4.3

Louisiana 1.7 1.8 2.1 2.4 2.7 3.3 3.6 4.2 4.2 4.5 4.5

Maine 0.7 0.8 0.8 0.8 0.9 1.0 1.0 1.1 1.2 1.3 1.3

Maryland 1.3 1.4 1.6 1.8 2.3 3.1 3.9 4.2 4.8 5.3 5.8

Massachusetts 3.4 3.9 4.2 4.3 4.7 5.1 5.7 5.7 6.0 6.3 6.5

Michigan 2.8 3.7 4.8 5.3 6.4 7.8 8.9 9.3 9.3 9.9 9.9

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1910 1920 1930 1940 1950 1960 1970 1980 1990 2000 2010

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Minnesota 2.1 2.4 2.6 2.8 3.0 3.4 3.8 4.1 4.4 4.9 5.3

Mississippi 1.8 1.8 2.0 2.2 2.2 2.2 2.2 2.5 2.6 2.8 3.0

Missouri 3.3 3.4 3.6 3.8 4.0 4.3 4.7 4.9 5.1 5.6 6.0

Montana 0.4 0.5 0.5 0.6 0.6 0.7 0.7 0.8 0.8 0.9 1.0

Nebraska 1.2 1.3 1.4 1.3 1.3 1.4 1.5 1.6 1.6 1.7 1.8

Nevada 0.1 0.1 0.1 0.1 0.2 0.3 0.5 0.8 1.2 2.0 2.7

New Hampshire 0.4 0.4 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.6 0.7 0.9 1.1 1.2 1.3

New Jersey 2.5 3.2 4.0 4.2 4.8 6.1 7.2 7.4 7.7 8.4 8.8

New Mexico 0.3 0.4 0.4 0.5 0.7 1.0 1.0 1.3 1.5 1.8 2.1

New York 9.1 10.4 12.6 13.5 14.8 16.8 18.2 17.6 18.0 19.0 19.4

North Carolina 2.2 2.6 3.2 3.6 4.1 4.6 5.1 5.9 6.6 8.0 9.5

North Dakota 0.6 0.6 0.7 0.6 0.6 0.6 0.6 0.7 0.6 0.6 0.7

Ohio 4.8 5.8 6.6 6.9 7.9 9.7 10.7 10.8 10.8 11.4 11.5

Oklahoma 1.7 2.0 2.4 2.3 2.2 2.3 2.6 3.0 3.1 3.5 3.8

Oregon 0.7 0.8 1.0 1.1 1.5 1.8 2.1 2.6 2.8 3.4 3.8

Pennsylvania 7.7 8.7 9.6 9.9 10.5 11.3 11.8 11.9 11.9 12.3 12.7

Puerto Rico 1.1 1.3 1.5 1.9 2.2 2.3 2.7 3.2 3.5 3.8 3.7

Rhode Island 0.5 0.6 0.7 0.7 0.8 0.9 0.9 0.9 1.0 1.0 1.1

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1910 1920 1930 1940 1950 1960 1970 1980 1990 2000 2010

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South Carolina 1.5 1.7 1.7 1.9 2.1 2.4 2.6 3.1 3.5 4.0 4.6

South Dakota 0.6 0.6 0.7 0.6 0.7 0.7 0.7 0.7 0.7 0.8 0.8

Tennessee 2.2 2.3 2.6 2.9 3.3 3.6 3.9 4.6 4.9 5.7 6.3

Texas 3.9 4.7 5.8 6.4 7.7 9.6 11.2 14.2 17.0 20.9 25.1

Utah 0.4 0.4 0.5 0.6 0.7 0.9 1.1 1.5 1.7 2.2 2.8

Vermont 0.4 0.4 0.4 0.4 0.4 0.4 0.4 0.5 0.6 0.6 0.6

Virginia 2.1 2.3 2.4 2.7 3.3 4.0 4.6 5.3 6.2 7.1 8.0

Washington 1.1 1.4 1.6 1.7 2.4 2.9 3.4 4.1 4.9 5.9 6.7

West Virginia 1.2 1.5 1.7 1.9 2.0 1.9 1.7 1.9 1.8 1.8 1.9

Wisconsin 2.3 2.6 2.9 3.1 3.4 4.0 4.4 4.7 4.9 5.4 5.7

Wyoming 0.1 0.2 0.2 0.3 0.3 0.3 0.3 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.6

================================================================================

Note: data in millions

SOURCE: U.S. Census Bureau

 

Hopefully this report came through. This is the census records over last 100 years in US; as the report shows to support several comments about game being scarse after the first few days of a major event. My grandpa told stories about gun fights taking place during the Depression from one group/family/individual "defending" their hunting ground and even a squirrel was hard to come by after a couple years. I hope this helps people with their plan.

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I guess the plan will have to be to loose your harvest the year TSHTF. I wouldn't even try defending a large farm field with millions of people scavenging. As cold hearted as it sounds it's easier to let them strip the field of all it's produce and die of starvation because the field is not big enough to sustain there numbers. Year 2 or six months latter the opposition should be substantially less and the possibility of hiring armed guards is more of an option based on who is left. If you haven't read the farmer at war give it a read over http://www.rhodesia.nl/farmeratwar.html

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Actually, if I was going to NOT harvest it; I'd do as russia did against the nazis in WW2 and burn it. I would not want the horde to remember they acquired food there and the survivors return for the next crop. That may sound cold, but I'd prefer them not remembering they were able to get food from my locale nor them hanging around any length of time.

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i see your point regulator. not trying to be a azz but at the same time trying to take care of your own

and secure your future. if i knew a "horde" was coming, i would harvest what i could first. i might let them rob the rest of my crop clean so the field looks sacked to the next group coming.

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ah yes, soil contamination. good catch there autonomous.

yes be very careful with that. one can seal his doom if not careful.

wow it goes to show that with prepping and surviving there is always something we will forget, not plan for, or just plain didnt think about. im guilty of all 3 lol. man i sure do have a long way to go yet.

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yea ricksconnected:

 

these posts keep us on our toes we all find something we missed the more I think about it

I am going to get more salt making posts on meat smoking and such made me realize what the hay

25 bucks gets me 160 pounds even if the world goes back to normal I can use it for grass edger.

 

I get my salt from walmart it is water softener salt granulated I spoke to the company rep and

they spoke English and they were located here I was flabbergasted how they do that????

pure no additives trace minerals good stuff made / comes from down south of Houston tested and

inspected usa salt co.

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regulator5

 

a few planted in mounds instead of standard rows got to think like a California pot grower

they got sh*t all over the woods same here the cops find it easy and there is another reason

to go strapped there are things in the woods like meth labs and hidden pot fields.

 

No need not to try gardening unless you have a stream of traffic you might get by passed most city folk

do not know much outside their route to grandma's house

 

 

rows need to follow the road so you cannot see down them after a few weeks grass will get high

and obscure it hopefully unless your growing corn

 

city folks green don't mean much need to figure how to camo your house in some way make it look

damaged or burned or cover it with greenery like Halloween dead bodies on steaks skulls real traps

trip wire traps can be found at a gun auction site and old ideas come to mind a box of nails and a

sheet of plywood you ain't dancing round here some camo paint helps hide them until they find them

 

puff traps, gopher holes, hook lines, ankle breakers, chicken little's, tangle foot, pungies, poppers,

on and on only your imagination limits your creativity by the time any one get near your place they are

a cripple blind or worse bunch of freaks...

 

60 pounds of pressure and a can of tomato paste I can remove anything but the tomato stain ;=]

few other items of course

 

and I hope I never have to do any of this and more but if I have to protect my place well........

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