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The Great Food Storage Debate

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Okay, please lend your opinion. We plan to move across country in the next 3 months to 2 years. It was 3 months, but it may now be extended. We have chosen to increase our pantry a little bit, and our water by about 6-9L per week. But, we disagree on whether to begin bulk purchase of food. I'd like to lay in a few cases of food (canned meat and canned veg), and 50 lb of rice, 50# of beans, a couple of cases of liquor, over a period of time to spread the cost. He disagrees, the cost to move it cross country not worth the short term risk. Would love to have you weigh in on either side, to get a better perspective. Thanks.

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Think about what those items cost now as opposed to the possible increase of cost due to the ever climbing fuel costs and how groceries and such are going to go up because of it.

 

Now you have to factor in when you make the eventual move. Will said items increase your costs of transport or will you still end up saving the money once you have arrived.

 

I know I didn't really give you a definative " Go for it " or " Hold off for now " as this is something you really have to decide for yourself if it's going to benefit you and yours in the long run.

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Still in all, a good answer. Anybody know which food items are trending more significantly upward than others? (Besides coffee, chocolate, and tobacco?)Thanks. Anybody else?

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I'd take into consideration of where I'm moving to and what are the cost of food where I'm leaving to where I'm going. If it's considerable cheaper from where I'm going compared to where I am , I'd wait til I get to my new destination. Factor in cost of gas and I'm pretty sure you will get to a answer. Where I am living now everything is sky rocketing to include gas ( now at 4.50 a gal , regular unleaded) coffee, canned goods like spam , corned beef , even canned chili so I guess whatever you can afford to buy right now is a good purchase

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You could pick up cases (12/) of canned goods now, that would have exp.dates 2 years out. Mix in with that some smaller qtys of the dry goods, some 5-10# bags. That way you'll feel better about now and as you approach moving time, start using those stores, so you'll have less to pack when you do move.

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Good answers. Thanks. Keep em coming.

 

First I'd like to say how very much I appreciate being dragged into the middle of a spirited family discussion.:rolleyes:

 

OK, kidding aside, I would suggest you look at something other than move/no move. What is your current stockpile? (rhetorical, no answer expected for OpsSec reasons.) If you have a year's worth already, then you can probably afford to wait. If you have 3 days worth, then you can look at buying more of what you are currently eating and build toward that first year point. If TSHTF the day before you move, what kind of shape are you in. Are you comfortable remaining at your current level of preparations for a year? Remember, Murphy was a bloody optimist.

 

What SHTF scenarios are you prepping for and will the preps be appropriate for the new location? How likely is it that bulk foods are available in a year? There have been periods where they were not available due to government purchases - do you think that might happen again? If it does, what is your Plan B? The inflation rate is running somewhere between 2.5 and 5 % per month since around 2000. If it is a year, how will the increased price be compared to buying and shipping now?

 

If you have water barrels, I might not ship those. Take a trip to the new location, preposition your water there, and then sell your existing barrels. Just remember, if you don't ship preps, you are not prepared until you come back up to speed. If it took you a year to get where your are now, then you are looking at a year at the new place to get to an equivalent readiness.

 

If it is a paid move, it might be cheaper to let the movers move everything except your preps and rent a U-Haul. If it is a self-move, a smaller trailer for preps and miscellaneous stuff behind your car to follow the U-Haul truck that you'll have might make sense.

 

Just some random thoughts. I hope these help.

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Food bought now is paid for and is a daily use Item.90 days is a long time in my mind for "Not" haveing a bit more food than you may need.

You can Always use it,and if need be take it with you.$5.00 a galon gas is around the corner.Trucker are passing along price incresses already.so no matter what the price you pay TODAY is cheaper that what you pay 30days from now..JMHO..

I just bought more garden seeds and starting early with my seedlings on new plants.

I dont trust,and dont know what Bedding plants will cost this year?

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All good. Chuckling. Any debate is a good debate, right? I mean, there are no stupid questions. I have no doubt that this discussion benefits someone besides me. Moot point now, I'm hoping. We are setting up a temporary situation that will negate the need for discussion. I think we will both agree with Matt now, that 3 months is a good choice. Beyond that, well, I'll deal with it when I get there. Thanks.

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Hi survival101,

This is funny, I'm very new in here. But I do have one suggestion about the liquor, I have read this is very good for bartering with people for other things. We all need "bartering" items stored up. It's also good for medicinal purposes.....and to indulge (lol).

There are a lot out there that would probably swap anything for a bottle, if they had none! And cigarettes? Boy, for the smokers, if none available, you could probably get a whole pig for a case...**giggle**. Some things, if and when TSHTF (did I do that right?), will be worth more than gold or silver, and paper money may be worthless, that's when the liquor, cigarettes, tobacco, salt, beans-on and on....could save your life with "bartering".

If moving within 3 mos-to 2 years.BIG DIFFERENCE! I would start with the basics anyway, world is crazy, in 2 years a lot of things will happen, good or bad, the world is changing, and I think for the worse.

Regards,

SheNemo

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I am of the mind set of most all here

 

for your purpose the buckets of WISE freeze dried meals may be a good thing as they are light

 

you can mix cases for breakfast lunches and dinners and they have a long shelf life

 

you can augment with canned goods and dry stock like flour salt sugar etc i posted a list but you

 

may not choose to do that water in 5 or 6 gallon fuel looking containers yellow is for water

 

they are thin enough to hide behind the couch wall mart has some cube stack able blue ones

 

and medications and boose as well as bandages and peroxide and such will be valuable

 

I got a 15 gallon tote full of bandages and white sheets and CLING and gauze band aids med tape

 

a warning paper tape is the least allergic type many have reaction to plastic and the glue in the

 

linen tape FYI.

 

I remember when my leg was split open it took almost 3 weeks to heal and it took a lot of betadine

 

peroxide and bandages and it was mostly taped and a few staples.

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For some reason I keep thinking about "the best laid plans of mice and men". Two years is a hell of a long time to expect essentially for "nothing" to happen. Well, we know inflation is already here.

The Army has an acronym about the 6 P's: Piss-poor planning prevents proper performance.

Like the Cpt. said, especially when it comes to freezedried foods, there have already been instances when it flat out was not available! Canned foods I would reduce prior to the move since they are heavy.

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femvet59

 

that is the problem Y2K was a while back but we have had 2 hurricanes since so I understand

 

A watched pot never boils.

 

and I am of the understanding that emergencies happen without warning so I just eat some save

 

some.

 

I got to have all this stuff anyway so I ain't skeered I got stuff and more stuff so hang in there

 

it may not happen in our lifetime but if you run out of something you know your not prepared.

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Thanks to all who posted. Any further input is welcome. There is an old saying that sometimes "You can't see the forest for the trees." Taking your input into consideration, as well as our own knowledge, we have now (amicably) settled the issue. Our decision was that we would treat the situation as if we were to remain constrained by space, as in apartment dwellers. Our main food preps to be small and light, such as MRE's and camp meals. Secondly, to prep in staples and canned goods for a 3 month supply. Water we would continue to store as space permits, and let it go when we move, and prep again when we arrive at our new home, whenever that should be, Thanks for the wise advice. We were both pleased to hear your opinions and your knowledge. Contrary to a title that may have been misleading, we almost never argue. Certainly, not about prepping. Thanks again.

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hi all

bulk food is good,white rice isn't as good (nutrient wise) as some believe.(beri-beri).food tabs were started in the 60's as a possibly a astranaut food sorce ,then it grew a life of it's own,in the survival world in the 70's i found them in the 80's.when they were testing the shelf life they stopped in 10 years,still being good. they have almost all nutrients needed ,except fiber.chia seeds i found as a food sorce in the 90's.i now use them as my multi-vitamins,they are loaded with fiber.they have over 90 vitamins-minerals-trace elements.as long as keeped dry,thet'd outlast the food tabs.apache indians would give there warriors about the amount of a tea spoon for a 100 mile forced march.figured that was enough.they both have serveral sites to research them.i'm never without chia.in the 80's i got heat exhaustion was told by doctors i'd always have problem with passing out in heat.after getting chia never past out since.17 years,doing drywall in 112 degrees other people passing out and going home sick.biggest problem i had was keeping sweet outa my eyes.you actually fill better in the heat ,than you use to.energy,stanima . much higher.

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Very much interested in sprouting seeds, Blacjac. I'd like to sprout alfalfa, because it's what I prefer so far. Do you have any sites for purchasing bulk seed? As to the rice, in the South, we pair it with beans, which I understand makes a complete protein. It also adds fiber. I have no idea if that adds the needed Vitamin B to prevent disease from vitamin B deficiency.

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