Outlandermax

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About Outlandermax

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    Wisconsin
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    Camping, Prepper, Miller Beer, Bon Fires, Tea Party
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    Manufacturing
  1. Outlandermax

    Somebodies watching me...

    Did you ever wonder if the government is watching the I.P. addresses of those that visit sites like these? Did you ever wonder if some of these sites are actually run by the government? In light of what the government has been doing with regard to the IRS and Conservative groups; the NSA monitoring phone and email conversion under the guise of national security; you know the rest... Do I think they are watching me, personally? Not necessarily but I do think they are monitoring in the sense we are all being put into a database for future use. This is especially true of those that visit sites like these. Paranoid? Maybe. What say you?
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    When they close the roads...

    Actually, quite a bit. We have gone on many camping trips off the AVTs and everything had to be carried on them. The longest trip was just over 4 days and we had to live on everything we brought (which was usually too much). Everything gets strapped to the front and the rear as well as enclosed in the rear boxes and the trunk. What we take would be similar to a hiking trip because of weight and size. As for fuel, we both have 4 gallon flat tanks that are mounted to the front and my son has a 1.5 gallon tank. This picture is not of my ATV but that is my setup. [ATTACH=CONFIG]1901[/ATTACH]
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    When they close the roads...

    The point of the thread, this is from the opening statement: "When they close the roads the best vehicle I can think of is my ATV if speed is necessary. I keep our ATV's fueled and fully equipped minus some last minute add ons including the BOB. Anyone else out there consider an ATV on a serious level? Have any suggestions?" Under the heading of: "Survival Vehicle: This is the spot to discuss your survival vehicle, BOV (Bug Out Vehicle), Multi-Use vehicle etc. and preps that go into them". When they close the roads was the heading as to suggest the government has found it best to keep us a rest and do not want us to travel. I'm sure we can all come up with situations for that to happen. You suggested that a UTV, SUV, or off-road truck may be better. I own a Jeep Wrangler, a Chevy Silverado, and I used to own a Can-Am Commander (sold to brother because it was a gas guzzler, always got stuck, and couldn't bushwhack very well), and none of those vehicles can do what a good ATV can do in the area of bushwhacking, tight terrain, hills, rivers, mud bogs, and above all else, gas mileage. As for noise, a factory - unmodded - ATV is rather quiet. It is no loader then my Wrangler or Silverado. And while I can see the importance of an animal as mentioned many times in this thread, I don't see how it fits under "Survival Vehicle"? All the threads I see under this heading are related to Gas burning vehicles and not animals. With that said, that is why I'm taken aback by the continuous mention of animals when I was looking for input to an ATV (think to take, do you bring a trailer, etc.). And as for gasoline, I keep a rather large supply on hand (thanks to 9/11) as well as always keeping my fuel tanks topped and never dropping much below 3/4 tank. And you're right, if it were and emp issue, ATV's are pointless but so to would be the closing of the roads. Since I posted this thread I've spent the entire time defending it
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    When they close the roads...

    I'm not in any way saying a mule would be a bad idea... but how many people are in a situation (where they live, distance to travel, climate, etc.) that would allow for that? And I don't know about you, but the idea of walking 190 miles in the middle of a Wisconsin January (average zero degrees) or a Wisconsin August (97 degrees today) with a mule, wife, child, BOB's, water & food, weapons, etc. all with the risk of a mule that could be injured half way up and then what? In MY situation, an ATV is best suited for the situation of a 'road being closed' as in the title of this thread. In a SHTF situation time is very much of the essence. Every day that goes by is a day that society becomes more dangerous. I cannot imagine being 100 miles from my BOL without a BOV with the responsibility of my family at hand. If everyone just continues to say "mule" then what is the point of a thread titled "Survival Vehicles"? Maybe it should be called "Survival Mules". I started this thread to get ideas and, also, the good and bad of an ATV. So let's pretend for the moment I don't own a mule and see what ideas we come up with! What say you? [ATTACH=CONFIG]1900[/ATTACH]
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    When they close the roads...

    I want to add a post script... In my defense of ATV's as BOV I don't want to diminish or hammer on what Juzcallmesnake has said; and let me tell you, that man has said A LOT! Actually, after reading his viewpoint it made me do a great deal of thinking. Sometimes we (I) romanticize the idea of SHingTF and forget the real life changes that will happen and the long hard work that will face us all if you want to survive with a full stomach. With that said... I challenge Juzcallmesnake to a race: his mule against my ATV! You name the place. [ATTACH=CONFIG]1899[/ATTACH]
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    When they close the roads...

    I think that a BOV and an animal that is used in the aftermath of a SHTF situation are entirely different things. Sure, there are some situations where a BOV can be multipurpose (vehicle & plow), but for many of us that is impractical. Where I live, I need five acres to have a mule or a horse - I have two acres. I think most people are in that situation. Also, I cannot imagine packing a mule with my wife and son, BOB’s, water, food (for us and the animal), etc., to travel - as in my situation - 190 miles to my BOL. That would be unreasonable to say least. And if you toss in a zero degree January, it would be downright dangerous. On ATV’s, depending on the situation and the weather, I can do that same journey in a day or so if it’s a combination of road and trail. In my situation, I have three ATV’s that can be packed and ready for travel in less than an hour. This is what I’ve practiced for. If I lose an ATV due to mechanical failure, I still have two to continue the journey. Weather will have little impact on how I get to my BOL. Living in Wisconsin brings on its own set of challenges. I can go from 98 degrees August to 20 degrees below zero in January. I’m not certain how well an animal would hold up to those extremes, let alone my family if they were on foot. It all goes back to a person’s situation: where he lives, what resources he has available, how much money he has, does he have family to worry about and take with, how far a BOL is, etc. As I mentioned earlier, a good BOV in Florida is likely not so good in Montana. What do ya think? [ATTACH=CONFIG]1897[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]1898[/ATTACH]
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    When they close the roads...

    What more can be said!
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    When they close the roads...

    I guess if you think about it, where you live would define the best type of BOV for you. I think of a BOV as a mode of transportation that gets you, your family, and your essentials, to a predefined location (BOL) fast, safely, and as stealth like as possible. Most all BOV will have their advantages and disadvantages. No one in Georgia would consider a snowmobile very useful while no one in Arizona would find a boat very beneficial. Where I live in Wisconsin, ATV’s and UTV’s are great year round vehicles because of our 4 season climate. Because of that, I think they would be great in the event the roads are closed due to natural disaster, government, or marauders, with the last two being the most dangerous. If the roads are open… pack the station wagon and head up to your BOL. http://www.survivalcache.com/forums/images/smilies/cool.png
  9. Outlandermax

    When they close the roads...

    Well I guess mules it is! However, the common definition of BOV is: A bug out vehicle is a vehicle that will make it possible for you to escape a natural or man-made disaster to a BOL without finding yourself stuck with a useless pile of metal that doesn’t have the ability to go through a shallow stream or for that matter, a crumbled road surface. It should be able to traverse obstacles and be able to go off-road if needed. Preferably it would have 4x4 or more capability. It should be sturdy and reliable in most kind of weather and terrain conditions. It should be simple in design and function, with not a lot of useless gadgets that you don’t need. A short wheelbase and good ground clearance are also highly desirable too. The ability to tow or be towed or winched out is very important also. With that definition in mind… I really thought an ATV or UTV would be the best “vehicle” for the job. My fully loaded OutlanderMax will exceed 70 mph on the road and half that off the road (depending on the terrain). I have crossed terrain in which my ATV was over half submerge in muddy water, climbing the steepest of hills, bushwhacked the thickest of wood, and traversed some pretty heavy snows. As for gas mileage I get an average of 22 mpg. With a six gallon onboard tank and 4 gallon bolt on tank, I have a distance of over 200 miles. If I have to worry about being tracked by someone, they would have to keep up. On the other hand, a thousand pound mule will likely leave one hell of trail to be tracked as well but with no advantage of speed. My whole point of this tread was to say “hey” to the advantages of an ATV as a un-traditional BugOutVehicle that will get me out of a bad situation fast and get me to my BugOutLocation or at least get me out of a situation FAST in which there may be obstacles whether they be natural or governmental. So… what do you think? [ATTACH=CONFIG]1896[/ATTACH]
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    When they close the roads...

    Wow!! Saddle up the mules! And at the end of the journey you get to eat um!
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    When they close the roads...

    [ATTACH=CONFIG]1894[/ATTACH] When they close the roads the best vehicle I can think of is my ATV if speed is necessary. I keep our ATV's fueled and fully equipped minus some last minute add ons including the BOB. Anyone else out there consider an ATV on a serious level? Have any suggestions?
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