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  1. wolfpack21643

    Bug Out Aircraft

    Are there any pilots on here? I’m just wondering if any one else has thought about the whole idea of bugging out via aircraft. I fly for a Sheriffs office plus I have access to a few planes that I fly for some rich friends on the side. When I hear people talking about bug out vehicles I start thinking out about a bug out plane. As a pilot I know that if stuff got really bad you could hit your local airport with a pair of bolt cutters and leave with what ever airplane you chose to take. The best part is that almost all airplanes are full of fuel all the time due to condensation in the gas tanks causing water in the fuel. So most people keep um full to prevent that. You can land in remote spots with aircraft that not even zombies could find you in if you got the skills. Even if you lived in downtown NY City you could be into the very remote country side in less then an hour with no traffic jams to worry about. So to recap: 1) Your local airport is full of airplanes 2) I bet you most of them are full of fuel (leaded fuel) 3) NO traffic jams to worry about, you will be looking down at the poor guys stuck in traffic 4) You can do a very good ariel recon of the area you plan on sitting up shop in before you move in. 5) You can relocate quickly if you have to. 6) Charlie don’t surf and Zombies can’t fly.
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    Bug Out Aircraft

    Scud running in a time of crisis might be getting alot harder now. Due to my work with the FAA and Dept. of Justice over the last few weeks I have been made privy to the fact that the Feds are now using drones over the main land US. I was flying at work last week when a predator drone pulled up next to my left wing (only about 300 foot away). I was like holy crap. The drone stayed off my wing tip for a bout 5 mintes or so until I made a 180 degree turn and started the other way. It followed about 90 degrees through the turn then straighting up and flew off. I made a call to some friends and found out that those news reports about drones patroling the US are TRUE. I have now seen that drone 3 more times since then, it seems it will shadow us then after a few mintues move on. I think they see my flight path which is in lots of circles (cause Im patroling) and they want to see what im all about. It's the police, policing the police I guess. Now I work about 30 minutes by air from Washington DC so that may be why the drone activity as of late but I was told 4000 of them are now patroling the US. One of the times they pulled up on me when I was at 300 feet off the ground so I know they can see me at ground level so I think the scud running days are over if the Feds want to shut the air down.
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    Bug Out Aircraft

    You be pushing it to get 4 adults in a 172. The performance numbers you read about diffrent aircraft are shall we say embleshied a bit. Aircraft companies are notoriuos for putting up cruise speeds, fuel burn and weight loads that are not even close to what the aircraft will really do. You have to figure in the fuel load when you figure what you can carry. Let me show you an example: We will use the mid 1970's Cessna 172M (which is one of the most common you will find at your local airport) Gross weight (max take off weight):2300 lbs. Useful weight (what weight it will carry after empty static aircraft weight is factored in): 1335 lbs Fuel weight (42 gallons at 6.5 lbs a gallon): 273 lbs. 1335 lbs - 273 lbs= 1062 lbs. So that gives you 265 lbs per person (4 people) Yeah right!!!! hahahaha never happen. You would need 2000 foot of runway to get off the ground with that load and I bet it would be so tail heavy you would only get a 100 mph cruise if you could control the aircraft at all. The real numbers from my exprince (I have close to 1000 hours in a 172M). Full tanks (273 lbs), two 200 lbs guys (400 lbs), two 120 lbs wives (240 lbs) and that adds up to 913 lbs. And that my friend is all that 172M wants trust me. You would never get into or out of a tight (less then 3000 feet) off airport runway with that load. The cruise speed suffers alot when you fly at gross also. I am all for using a bug out aircraft (I started the thread) but just getting your Pilot Lic. I fear would just get you killed. Planes are not like automoblies. I can get into any Ford F-150 from any year and drive it saftley. Not so with aircraft, due to avionics and engines you could look at two aircraft that came off the assembly line one behind the other and they would be completely diffrent. You need to be a very exprinced pilot when it comes to airplane hopping. I know whenever I fly a new aircraft (and I have flown about 30 diffrent aircraft as pilot in command) I spend alot of time studying the pilots operating hanbook for that exact aircraft, talking to the main pilot of the aircraft and just sitting in the cockpit for a half hour or so studying the switches, gagues ect. I think your best bet would be all joking aside the microsoft flight sim. That program is awesome I use it all the time for IFR and emergency training. I actually had a Tatical Flight Officer who flys with me at work who put several hundred hours in a 172 on his flight sim and after he bugged me to let him shoot a landing one day I gave in and let him. I never had to touch the controls he greased that aircraft right in like a pro. His next three attempts were not too good but he could have gotten us saftely on the ground if he had to so if your plan is to go to the airport then get some real flight training and hit the flight sim because flying is a perishable skill. And one last thought. If a bug out scenerio ever came true, do you really thing uncle same would let you fly his airways without the military chasing you down? On 9-11 they shut the air down for two days I believe (I was forced to land and got stuck in Ohio that day) So you would have to scud run to get anywhere and that is a very dangerous thing to do. It is for the exprinced pilot only.
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    Bug Out Aircraft

    The desert along the boarder is full of dead drug runners flying paramotors and ultralights at night. Two stroke motors (which is what most paramotors have) and long distance night flying are more dangrous then getting in the ring with Mike Tyson. And trust me you wont cover 120 miles because there are still winds alot at night even though its calm on the surface. And 6 hours at one time in a paramotor is just laughable at how crazy hard on your body that would be. And if you could get "long range tanks" on a paramotor your weight and balance would be so close to the edge that you would not be able to carry anything at all (like a bug out bag). The dream sounds good but the reality is not even close to what you think it would be. Sorry.
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    Bug Out Aircraft

    While they may be better looking with more bells and whistles they still have many faults when it comes to weather like wind and turbulance. I have been flying since I was 12 when my dad bought a Cesnna 150 and now have been flying commercially since 1997. Over the last 6 years I have been flying law enforcement aircraft and have been deeply involved in the Light Sport area with the Dept. of Justice / FAA including paragliders and gyrocopoters. The airfoil of the paramotor just wont support speeds over 30 mph (give or take alittle). That means if the wind is blowing 15 mph when you are head into it then you can not go faster then 15 mph foward. They also sway and swing ALOT in just the lightest form of turbulance due to the cockpit placement hanging by lanyards from the chute. Yes they are fun in very light winds but if you plan on bugging out in one you better hope that it's first thing in the morning or right at dusk (best avg. wind speed times). Paramotors will always be aerodynamicly challanged due to there inherit design. I dont belive you will see any major jumps foward in speed or weather capibility over the next 20 years or so. Everything has a "hull speed" and the paramotors is slow.
  6. Your dead on Snake. I have done the math on fuel burn and generator use. It's almost cheaper in a short term storm event (say a week or two with no power) to just let the food go bad in the fridge and freezer. When you figure out the intial cost of said generator ($3500) the propane burn ($600 for two weeks) and the fact that even though I live in a very active hurricane area (30 miles from the Atlantic Ocean) there has only been a few times in my life were we have lost power for more then a few days. For $4,100 I can replace alot of meat and freezer items for that once every 15 years (the avg. time between long term power outages). The only reason I am buying a generator is becasue I'm a Police Officer and whenever there are storms (major power outages) they put us all to work for the duration to keep looting and crime at bay. The generator is more for my wife and daughter's comfort cause while im out keeping the peace my family is left at home to defend for themselves. The next time you have a major storm, hurricane or snow drive by your local cops house, he is the last one to shovel his driveway and the last one to cut up the down trees in his yard. The last major storm we had I was out for 6 days and never did get home during that time period due to where I was stationed (on the other side of the county from home). So the generator is for the family and I know that in a long term senerio that generator will be of no use. I am looking into solar power right now but I live in town and the freaking nieghbours all have huge old growth trees that block most of the sunlight into my yard. The town has a no wind turbine rule so im screwed there too. A little off topic but when you guys are bugging out or bugging in I will be most likely at work so beign a cop puts me a huge disadvantage as far as a SHTF senerio. On one hand I will have access to stuff like gas and food that the public wont but it wont do me much good when I cant get back home. If I walk off the job to go home then thats it, my days as a cop are over for good. No one would touch me after that. Katrina was a great example. It was a SHTF situation for the cops in New Orlenes, the ones that walked off have been black balled from what I understand. So if it is a short term event then you have to stick it out and hope your family makes it through by themseleves alone. If it's a country wide long term looking event then leaving is alot easier but I have agonized over the prospects of a Katrina event in my area and what I would do. One of the major problems I have is that I was born and rasied in the county that I work in, and it's very rural so I know almost everybody in the county. It would be very hard for me to cut out and watch my life long friends and family (the ones that cant fiend for themselves like the old and sick) be victimized by the scum bags that have been waiting in the wings to just go crazy when the SHTF. Just some food for thought.
  7. Hey snake I dont know about the diesel generator. I just finished a massive month long project of generator research in Jan. What I found was that diesels dont work well until you start to get up to 20kw or more in generator size. Between consutling with a good friend who is a 25 year electrician and my brother who has been a diesel mech. for 20 years now I found that small diesel engines just dont work well. I was informed that Yan-Mar makes the best small diesel engines and they were originaly made for boat use (sail boats). The problem is diesels like to turn slow and they make alot of tourqe. To run a small generator they need to turn much faster then they like. I found that the cheapest diesel generator which cost around $2000 is junk. Go look up some reviews on the cheap diesels and you will find one bad review after another. It is not uncommon for one to only work for an hour and blow apart. You have to find a diesel that runs at the slower RPM (under 3000) while at 50% load to find one that has any chance of lasting more then 100 hours or so. The problem is to find one that meets those requirments you are going to have to put out about $10,000. I really, really wanted a diesel generator for the reasons you listed and gave them alot more research time then I probaly should have once I started to see their faults but I kept looking for that magic diesel bullet and never found it. I decided to go with a 10kw propane stand by unit, and a small 5kw gas portable for the on to go senerio.
  8. wolfpack21643

    Bug Out Aircraft

    I have a friend with a S-7 that he built over a three year period. He really did a masterful job and made alot of speed mods. He gets his to cruise at 130 mph with no loss of short field capabilty. It turns heads everywhere it goes.
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    Bug Out Aircraft

    I dont know about the sheetmetal thickness we also had alot of electrical problems (and ours was factory built). I have never flown a 701 or 750 but I know for a fact that the Savannah is a cheap copy of the Zenith birds. One major problem I had was that Skykits made the cockpit roof even with the wing tops. The Zenith airplanes dip down alot and make the wings look like they were scabbed on but they do that for a reason. The Savannah has horriable rudder authroity because that high cockpit roof blocks the air to the tail on take off and landing. Plus the Zenith has a flying tail and the Savannah has a normal smaller rudder and she is a bear to land in any kind of cross wind. And about the 2500 hours, think cruel and unusaul punishment and you would be close, but hey flying is better then working road patrol anyday!!! Have you had any problems with your Jabiru yet, I have been intrested in them for awhile now and so far the DOJ program has yet to send me a bird that has one installed to test. I have been thinking hard about bulding a RANS S-6 or 7 for awhile now (about 5 years now lol) and the Jabiru gives you more horse power for the same price as the Rotax 912. I have a Rans dealer on my field who bulds several a year for customers (all Rotax installs) so I feel good about customer support during the building process it's just hard to part with the $20,000 it takes to get started. If RANS sold their kits in sub assembleys I would have already pulled the trigger but that 20g at one time is alot.
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    Bug Out Aircraft

    Hey Rod when my Sheriffs Office first got into aviation we started out with a Skykits Savannah VG which is a copy of the Zenith 701. We had a Rotax 100hp 912 in it and flew the crap out of it. I am probaly one of the highest time pilots in the world in that type of aircraft (over 2500 hours logged). I will tell you this dont be in a hurry to put hours on your Zenith because that thin aluminum wont take the stress of landing and engine vibration very well over the hours. After 1000 hours we started having to fix alot of structral issues caused by vibration and at 2000 hours the plane was used up and ready for the bone yard. The last 500 I put on it had me holding my breath alot (haha). As far as the paraglider thing goes I dont think it would be a great help. It makes enough noise that you would be heard way before you are seen and you move so slow that you are a sitting duck. And the weather has to be perfect. I currently serve on a panel for the Dept. of Justice which eveluates small aircraft for Police Dept. use and we spent alot of time on para gliders, Gyrocopters and lite sport aircraft (hence the Savannah VG). We found the para gliders not much use because of speed and weather restrictions. There are Police Depts. using them with sucess but they are in areas where they dont have much weather like Southern Calif. ect. The Gyrocopters actually did the best job but the FAA is dead set against them from what I can tell. I have sat in meetings between the DOJ, FAA and Gyro Manufactuers and let me tell you the FAA are a bunch of jerk wads. If one of thier buddies isnt in line to get a kick back then they want nothing to do with it. When you sit in closed door meetings with these guys you see how the govt really works and it aint pretty. The Gyro makers are having a hard time getting thier aircraft approved for use in the US. I have flown about 10 diffrent designs through my work with the DOJ and all I can tell you is they are awesome. Cruise like an airplane land like a helicopter, thier only draw back is not much payload and they burn alot of fuel but if the FAA would be alittle more accepting then you might see their design really improve.
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    Video Games & Survival

    When you play Call of Duty Modern Warfare online you see that everything that the avg. person does in the game is wrong. They just run around like keystone cops trying to get the quick draw on everybody. In real life you want to bait the enemy into an ambush and kill them. Thats why I'm a camper and they hate me. I lie in wait and wax them. My kill ratio is 3 to 1 while most guys bearly get their kill ratios up to 1 to 1. I think alot of people are learning bad tatics in these games and I fear it will get them killed if they ever have to apply them. I heard a Navy SEAL on the Opie & Anthony show awhile back talking about how he gets his butt kicked on Call of Duty on Xbox Live. He joked that he could kill most of the people he plays against with little effort in real life but that they kill him, talk trash to him and end the game thinking that they are some sort of John Rambo's. He was said the reason that he gets creamed is because real life tatics just dont work online. He said " if I showed up at their house after the trash talking they would pee their pants and run like little girls but man they are hard asses online" I think Fall Out 3 is the best game for preppers out there. It shows you that some people you can trust and some you can't. It also shows that after the SHTF even bottle caps might have value. lol
  12. Im going to get a huge steak dinner (from Ruth Chris Steak House , thats about $300 for the family), a hot fudge sunday from Dairy Queen, and save the rest for toilet paper, cause I feel I'm pretty good already and two days is a very short time to do much espicialy when your close freind tells 10 other close friends who tell 1000 other people. After my steak and ice cream I guess I would have to see if bugging out is the way to go or staying put. if staying put is in the cards then putting out my home defense stuff would take up my time, and if bugging out is in the cards then it's time to hit the road.
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    The Walking Dead ~ Zombie Talk in General

    The story line is still pretty tame compared to the graphic novels. Dale dies a diffrent death in the novel.
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    dooms day prepers tonight

    Yup, Dave talks about it on one of his latest youtube videos, he talks about how they have no say about how the show is done and that they just evaluate the preppers from a preppers point of view and report their findings to NatGeo.
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    What have you done today to better your Prep?

    Built a book case to hide the secret door to my preps room. Now I have a "secret room" just like every kid dreams of. I also built a very large secure gear locker in my garage to keep my dry good preps locked up.
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    dooms day prepers tonight

    His name is Dave and he has a Youtube channel called southerprepper1 He is retired military and has posted well over 150 Youtube videos about prepping. He has some very good info in his videos and his theroy is that he is willing to risk hs OpSec some what to help people prep. He feels the more people that he can teach how to prep then the less people will be knocking on his door. He has what he calls a retreat and I belive he has over 30 people that are a part of it. I think he is pretty well got his stuff together as best you can and due to his large retreat and preps I think you would have a very hard time breaking into his prmieter. His partner Scott goes by the name Engineer775 on youtube and has some awesome videos about getting off the grid. And in case your wondring they are the two guys who grade the Doomsday Preppers show and give each family thier score at the end of the segments. They do alot for the prepping community and recive hardly any money in return, they do it cause they belive that helping you prep is the best kind of help that they can give.
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    The Walking Dead ~ Zombie Talk in General

    I dont get the whole Oits thing. Shane does what he has to do to get the surgery supplies to the stupid kid and his mother beats him over the head about it. If Shane had not got the supplies back she would have beat him over the head about that, he cant win. The reason Otis died is a very good lesson to all of us preppers, HE WAS FAT AND OUT OF SHAPE WHEN THE SHTF. You will not survive if your fat and / or have some sort of serious medical condition, sounds cold but you dont see many fat people in areas of the world where they live off the land (ie. African tribes ect.) You break your leg and you might be done, you have have to run more then 100 yards and then shoot you might be done ect. if your out of shape then your chances are low. I see it all the time at the Sheriff's Office I work for. We go to the range 2 times a year to shoot. We have to run from the 100 yard line to the 7 yard line and put two to the chest and one to the head. You should see some of the 20 year guys, they are so out of shape that they half walk / jog to the 7 yard line then miss with the two chest and one head shot. After that they holster their gun and put thier hands on thier knees and suck wind for 10 mintues, it would be funny if not so pathitic. Shane did not kill Otis, Otis killed himself years before the SHTF by his poor diet / excersise habits.
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    The Walking Dead ~ Zombie Talk in General

    I think the show is just getting stupid now. They are not going to kill off any of the main charcters so it is just going to become long drawn out drama. And for the Shane haters out there he had already been killed by Rick by this point in the books.
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    Three Lessons From Katrina

    Alot of them were.
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    Three Lessons From Katrina

    I was sent to New Orleans the day after Katrina cleared the coast. So being the good police officers we are, on 8/30/05 my Tactical Flight Officer and I departed our Mid-Atlantic base and spent the next 12 hours flying down the Atlantic seaboard. Once we arrived we were sent by the Feds to a small grass strip 10 miles from downtown New Orleans. We got some hot chow took a little nap and were sent into the outlying areas of the city to look for people in distress. The military helicopters were working the main city and 9th ward over good so we flew the “burbs”. I could not believe the destruction you just can’t appreciate something like that unless you see it from the air. I don’t care how well you had prepped it was a roll of the dice if your stuff would have made it through. Here are three stories from that time in history. Story 1: We found one guy who was in the top of a 60 foot high tree and had been there for several days when we found him. He couldn’t climb down because all the branches had been blown away. How many guys have a bug out bag properly packed for living on a 6 inch in diameter branch 40 foot off the ground for three days or so? The plane I fly is a “bush plane” so we can land in some really tight areas and we were able to land on a road a half mile down from him, hump up to him and help the guy out of the tree but it was crazy. We got him out of the tree and he shook our hands and just walked off down the road, I believe he was the only survivor from his family. I’m sure he was in shock. All he wanted was water and food so we gave him all the water and MRE’s we had in the plane and off he went. We took off and never seen him again. Story 2: At the end of our first full day of flying on scene we were enroute back to our strip at sundown when we watched a fire fight. I mean a full fledged “Full Metal Jacket” style urban fire fight. In the dusk you could see the muzzle flashes which is what caught our attention, you can’t hear gunfire from the air. We got up on freq and called it out. The military control confirmed our call and asked us to remain over head until ground units could get on scene. We watched 6 or 7 guys with some sort of hand gun / rifle combo try and take what appeared to be some sort of a shopping center down. These guys were determined and so were the “shop keeps”. After 20 minutes or so we saw a cement truck rolling about 70 mph down the road at the area in question. My TFO was like what the crap? All of a sudden the cement truck stopped in front of the gun fight and 4 SWAT dressed guys got out and shall we say put the rebellion down. We were like what the heck is going on here when all the sudden the military control came up on freq and told us we could clear the problem had been taken care of. We watched the SWAT guys get back into the cement truck and roll back out leaving the bodies in the parking lot. Story 3: They gave us these supply packs which contained MRE’s and water. We were to throw them out to people that we found but couldn’t get down to help. I remember this one time we found two guys waving us down for all they were worth. They were stuck in a back yard that was knee deep in water and the damage to the area was so bad I don’t think they could have walked out with out help. We had 5 supply bags with us so we throw them out to them. One guy ran like kids at a Christmas parade picking up Santa’s candy. He grabbed all five bags I think. We watched the other guy stick his hand out for one and the first guy took his free hand and pushed the guy down into the water then turned and ran away(in slow motion cause of the knee deep water). The guy that got knocked down didn’t even chase him he just stood there and I guess he though we would throw him another bag. Unfortunate for him we were fresh out. Who knows what happened to those two we never saw them again. What I learned from this experience was just how crazy the world really is. 1) Some people like the guy who didn’t get the bag are just too lazy or weak to help themselves. 2) People will fight to the death for big screen TV’s even when there is no electric. 3) And maybe I should put a rope ladder in my BOB. haha
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    dooms day prepers tonight

    A have a theroy on the money tree thing. I think that these people have let prepping overwhelm thier life. I bet they have maxed out thier credit cards prepping with the thought that the SHTF event will happen before they have to pay it back. A friend of mine just started prepping about 6 months ago and everyday he would call to talk about his preps and stuff, he is so convinced that the economy is going to crash tomorrow that once he started prepping he let himself become overwhelmed with fear and he started buying everything he could beacuse he felt like he was in a race with the clock. He truly paniced and let his fear overcome him. He told me last month that he had put $15,000 on his Visa card prepping. The problem is I dont think a prepper is ever done prepping so how long can he keep burying himself like that. I tried to tell him that finacal security (ie. having no debt) is the number one priority in prepping (at least I think so, am I wrong there?)
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    Three Lessons From Katrina

    Great read. I live in a very hurricane prone area and have seen a few big ones come through in my life time. Hurricane Isabelle Left us without power for two weeks and was a huge pain. Im glad autonomous posted this link.
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    what wild life posies the most danger?

    All of it is a danger with no medical care. A mosquito can kill you same as a bear.
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    Three Lessons From Katrina

    The old 1000 yard stare men get when they have seen the elephant as they say in the military. Somilia was the worst place on the earth so I was pretty hardend by that. I dont talk about it that much cause I am still trying to digest the things I saw there (hunger, violence, death, sickness and the like). Somilia is in an ever state of Katrina. It is hell on earth and it's full of zombies and the damned. If you really want to live a real life zombie appoclypse book a flight to Mogadishui and you can live the dream.
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    when/where are you most vulnerable?

    They taught us in the police acedemy to always sit at the back of the resturant, always lock your home doors no matter what time of day, never go to the mall unless it is at dead time hours, never carry anything in your hand on the side that you carry your gun on, never pull up so close to the car in front of you at a red light that you can't turn and pull away, determine which hand people are when ever you talk to them (you can tell by where they carry their wallets and such), always wear a hat to throw in someone else face if they charge you and a million other things. I can usally spot a cop that went through my police acedemy by the way he carries himself out in public. It's funny cause I have been out for 10 years now and if one of the instructors catches you preforming bad OpSec in public they will sneak up on you and exploit you. I had one get the drop on me at a Wal-Mart last year, he came up from behind me and I was holding my wifes hand. He reached in and grabbed my gun in it's holster. By the time i broke away from her he had let go and moved out of my swing area. I saw him right away and knew I had been had. We talked for a few mintues about things and I walked away pissed at myself because I knew he could have killed me if he was a bad guy. The good thing about beign a cop is that Homeland Security passed a law awhile back giving us the right to carry anywhere in the USA and that includes airliners. All you have to do is call the airline and they will hook you up. I have carried 3 times over the last two years on Southwest. Twice they had me sit with the air marshal which was pretty cool we traded stories and I learned alot about defending an airliner.